She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. For more information governing use of our site, please review our Terms of Service. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. After the King told the Duke of York of planned budget cuts to royal funds, the disgraced royal has since refused to leave his 30-bedroom Royal Lodge in Windsor. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday & Metro Media Group, 'I felt different to the rest of my family - and my mum felt the same': Prince Harry opens up on his 'broken home' upbringing saying parents rowing in front of children 'is not a good idea' - but FAILS to mention William once in 90min toxic trauma chat, DONALD J TRUMP: The world has finally woken to the truth about the Wuhan virus. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. An intensive search was launched, and family members distributed hundreds of missing-person flyers around Pennsylvania. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. Keep up your delusions. A correction to the comment above. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. Animals would have for sure. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Follow him on Twitter @KurtBresswein. Joann Katrinak murder - Forensic Files Now A-list trainer shares the ultimate do's and don'ts of workout etiquette - revealing why you should NEVER use a metal water bottle, Trump collaborates with January 6 prison choir in release of new single 'Justice for All' - which dropped ahead of his CPAC appearance, King Charles will offer Prince Harry and Meghan a Buckingham Palace apartment when they visit UK after kicking them out of Frogmore Cottage. 5 years prior to all this happening! Lived In Drake CO . That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Have you read the book? As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. You have permission to edit this article. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. Red-faced and crying, the tall woman wore an orange-and-white prison jumpsuit, flip-flops and ankle chains. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Andrew Katrinak - Forensic Files Now Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. The state police targeted Rorrer as a suspect that summer, and troopers traveled to North Carolina eight or nine times, Kohuth said. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. Find lehighvalleylive.com on Facebook. Woman Held in Catasauqua Killings * Andrew Katrinak'S Ex-girlfriend Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. Stop. (renews at {{format_dollars}}{{start_price}}{{format_cents}}/month + tax). Dance defense. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. Andrew Katrinak Obituary (2015) - Bethlehem, PA - Morning Call - Legacy.com They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. When Joann Katrinak and the baby didn't show up for a planned afternoon of Christmas shopping on Dec. 15, Katrinak called the police. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. Have you read the book? So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. Patricia Rorrer: Guilty Or Not?. The FBI declared the strongest piece The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. Find Andrew Katrinak's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading people search directory for contact information and public records. Myers knew little about Rorrer's troubles. Flaw in reasoning. Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). Living on the edge (literally! Some volunteered their own time for this duty, Hege said. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Find 4 people named Andrew Katrinak along with free Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok profiles on PeekYou - true people search. I expect she will admit it one day. ``She was mainly worried about her little girl,' Myers recalled. The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been jailed in . Cop defends accused. I dont think so. 4 Matches for Andrew Katrinak . His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. I very much doubt you are. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? Officers escort Andrew Tate, centre, and his brother Tristan Tate to the Court of Appeal in Bucharest. The real killer is Rorrer! She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. 10:02, 3 Mar 2023; Updated 10:31, 3 Mar 2023; Controversial influencer Andrew Tate's medical . You should be ashamed of yourself. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. Personal details about Andrew include: political affiliation is unknown; ethnicity is Caucasian; and religious views are listed as unknown. Taking into account various assets, Andrew's net worth is greater than $25,000 - $49,999; and makes between $50 - 59,999 a year. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. He was happy. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. One insider said: 'Andrew is insisting on having a job despite being made to stand down from his duties and now he's being kicked out of his home,' according to The Mirror. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. This weekDuke of York said he does not want to leave his mansion in the grounds of Windsor Castle despite telling friends he fears he will be unable to afford its upkeep if the King cuts his 250,000-a-year grant. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Puny policy. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. Why not question some of this evidence? I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. Patricia Rorrer: An Update - Forensic Files Now Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Not gender neutral. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. Not everything is a conspiracy. Combination locks. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. (Panik) Katrinak. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. I noticed quite a few errors myself. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? They were people that knew her, not Andrew. Veronica Katrinak Obituary - Death Notice and Service Information One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. So, lets take your response one step at a time. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. Search is on. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. Andrew Katrinak (6 matches): Phone Number, Email, Address - Spokeo Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. Your comment will be posted to MailOnline as usual. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. They are a joke. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. I dont think so. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? NO SIGN OF MISSING CATASAUQUA WOMAN - The Morning Call I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. The two kept in touch by telephone, and in 1991, Rorrer briefly sought refuge at Katrinak's home in Catasauqua after being assaulted by another boyfriend. I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. Pal stays true. His wife's vehicle was discovered in a parking lot 100 yards away from their house. Want to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? Nobody said bodies were intact. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? Unbloody vehicle. Username. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. Hair we go. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Andrew Katrinak - Historical records and family trees - MyHeritage An infant was lying face down on her stomach. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. About a year ago, Rorrer told Myers about the investigation but said she had been framed. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. Well ask you to confirm this for your first post to Facebook. Whatever the truth is. Your pathetic attempt to insult not only shows a not very original comment, but clearly displays a lack of intelligence. So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. Look into it. Neighbors remember seeing her place the child on horses for short rides. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? ``I can't believe I was alone with her,' a tearful Bruner said Tuesday evening. After 30 minutes Id be calling someone! All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Prince Andrew has offered to run some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion - with King Charles reportedly telling him 'there is no chance of that happening'. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. They added that doctors in Romania and Dubai wrote medical documents which confirmed he has a lesion on his upper right lung, which could be a sign a tumour has developed. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Its nine minutes into the video. You can cancel at any time. (Lehighvalleylive.com file photo). Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). ALISON BOSHOFF: As Broadchurch star Andrew Buchan and Leila Farzad become a real-life item while sexual electricity crackles between them in new BBC drama, did an earlier role of his give a . Tragedy also touched Patricias life. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. All rights reserved (About Us). Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. I cant lose them, he told the media. Tate has a dark spot on his lung, most likely a tumour, a spokesperson told Mail Online. Over the years, she has been charged with breaking and entering, intoxication, cruelty to animals and larceny in Davidson, Randolph, Gaston, Anson and Forsyth counties, said Detective Lt. Tony Roberson of the Davidson County Sheriff's Department. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. The Duke of York is set to lose 250,000-a-year in funding from the King as part of a shake-up of private royal finances and has had to sell off assets including a 19million ski chalet to cover the costs of settling the sex scandal case with Virginia Roberts Giuffre - a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. However, Romanian officials have refused the request, saying he can be attended to in Romania. Bookmark. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. Its barely visible in the picture. He lived in 1928, at address, Connecticut. His wife's vehicle was discovered in a parking lot 100 yards away from their house. Authorities said the 3-month-old died either of suffocation or of exposure while lying on his mother's stomach. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. Patty is my cousin. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. According to Pennsylvania State Police, Rorrer met Andrew Katrinak, the husband and father of the victims, in 1986. They added that the King is in disagreement with his brother and 'has told him straight, there is no chance of that happening'.
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